How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

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He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

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I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

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ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

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As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

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Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

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Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

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I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

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I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

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ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

What can you do if you are a full-grown adult, but never experienced being a child?

But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

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Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

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We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

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Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

CONCLUSION:

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

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Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

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ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

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As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

I am like a fish out of water,

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

Now here in this verse

Sain (a barber)

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

Kabir (a weaver)

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

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ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.